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Calin Darkarrow
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Recycle? Reply with quote

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Character: Moraelin Dy'ner
Build: Elf B/RDD/AA lvl 24

This was my first character I made a long time ago after the server wipe. Back then I really didnt know how to build a character correctly. I took Stargawg's AA build for Dev crit and tweeked it the way I wanted to do things and didnt realize that I had changed the integrity of the build resulting in very low damage output and an exp penalty.(which is a big no no here since the exp is not very high to begin with)

Im back to playing NWN again here on the Mountain and would like to ask:

I want to know if I can have this character deleted and re-assign the levels I have already earned to a new Dragon Mountain friendly build? I asked a DM in game about this and he said he doesnt see a problem with it but it would need to be approved by 2 DM's before he could act on it.

Im not trying to gain an advantage or a hand out from anyone, just trying to recoup my time put into that character to one that will be played and offers a more group/solo friendly experience.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We historically have not transferred xp from one character to another. But if you can find a couple DMs to approve publicly...
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Calin Darkarrow
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well than this could be one for the Dragon Mountain History Books! lol

I mean its nothing outrageous, characters get deleted all the time and levels get granted all the time. I really would appreciate and enjoy this "new" character being built the right way and having it work here on the mountain. I understand that this isnt an easy, hand out crazy, get everything for nothing server and that is what is good about Dragon Mountain but Im just asking this one favor for an old Dragon Mountain player.

So come on you cool, understanding, sentimental, awesome, and history making DM's and lets do this! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, toons never get 'deleted'... sooooo.... Why does the toon need to be deleted and 're-made'? Why cant it just be re-leveled?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its RDD for one(which I thought couldnt be de-leveled) and the build I was going after back then doesnt quite fit with Dragon Mountain. I think a M/W/AA with self conceal would work better here. I can delete the master items on it if that would help so I dont get a "free" lvl 24 character from it.

Im not asking for a free lvl 24 character, and I wouldnt play that old character again. Just hate seeing it sit there and not be used. Its no big deal for me or you DM's either way, I was just told to ask here and see what can be done, if anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well considering I have about 30 toons that just sit there and never get played (for many reasons), I dont see that as viable.

You're asking for a totally different toon from what you have, from the base up... releveling is clearly not an option so my opinion is for you to start a new toon.

I dont want to be difficult but I think this would set a bad precedent so I'm gonna say no... but maybe 2 others will show more sympathy to you than I.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is making a player on the server happy and keep him playing on the server(seeing how there are lots of servers out there that give players a shit ton more than this one does) setting a bad precedent? Not everyone has the time to reroll 30+ toons like yourself. I earned those 24 levels, why shouldnt I be able to reuse them on a new build that wont gimp me with an exp penalty from the 2nd class I choose all the way through the end of the build.

Yes I made that mistake at character creation, I was a noob at the time, but seeing how you have 30 toons that "just sit there" sounds to me you know your way around a mistake or 2. Its not my fault a character cant be "deleted" from this server, they can be from others, also not my fault RDD and PM cant be releveled.

This is just a game, a 13 year old game at that, and its free to play. Its not like people are going to sue or get pissed off and complain to customer service because something was done for me. Or maybe thats the key...should I make a "donation" and be given things?

So seeing how you and eclaasse made it blatantly clear your answers, I doubt anyone else will step up and go against the grain and say yes so...thanks for nothing. I wont bother you any more about this game/server again.

/endtantrum
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sets a bad precedent because, in my opinion, it opens the flood gates for requests similar to this and it is a huge hassle for the admin to remove the corresponding data to accommodate these requests. Fixing a toon from level one is not and we are always (usually) happy to accommodate those requests.

You are correct you did earn those levels... on that toon. You are now, in fact, desiring a toon thats really fundamentally different from the one you have.

If you really want to rock the build youre asking for, I would think it would be fun to build it from the ground up and enjoy the process.



(Oh, and getting upset, swearing on the public forum and making eclaasse and I look like bad guys probably wont sway the other, free thinking DMs to your fight either... much more so than our opinions, for sure... I'm just sayin'...)
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Calin Darkarrow
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flood gates is pushing it dont you think? There are barely any post here and rarely more than 3 people online at any given time.

Its still an AA build, and because of the RDD levels you cant redo that character. So I should be like you and have characters that will never be played again in my character list? Other players, not mentioning names, have requests here 3 and 4x's for fixes I had one(yes it was a bit more than a level or two) and get denied.

It is fun to build a new build, depending on the server. This server is cool to me because I know where to go(for the most part) and what to do to have fun and it used to be my favorite server. Although if you ask others about their experience the first time they logged on and saw how slow it was to level, then you would know why there arent many people playing on this server let alone starting another character.

There is a rule that you have to be level 10 before even asking for a redo of a level or 2, why not make a new rule that you have to be lvl 20 or 25 before asking for a recycle? You act like it will bring the server down for several hours, it would take less than 5min.

I dont have the right to get upset? I played here before the server owner exchange and character wipe, when i rejoined and saw my almost lvl 40 characters were gone I rolled with it and made new ones. Now I ask for a favor for a lvl 24 character and I catch flack for it.

Swearing? Come on, we are adults arent we? I'm not trying to make you guys look bad, but to me it seems the "no" was already implied, but I could be wrong and apologize if I am. You want me to be like you and suck it up and just make another toon and let it collect dust in my character list. I dont have time to relevel characters all the time and there are plenty of "oops" characters in my list to begin with. Why not just grant me that wish so I can continue playing and be happy?

If this server was packed and had 30+ people on at all times then yes, I do see requests like mine getting out of hand and the system being abused. But that isnt the case here.

This was my first server I played on way back in the day, lots of old timers are gone, guilds are gone and the population has all but died but yet, I still come back here every time I log into the game...its either nostalgia or Im just crazy.

http://www.forgotten-worlds.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3699
10th post down. Almost a year ago. 1 request a year doesnt seem that bad to me. Again, as in that post, I was nice and polite and was ok if it wasnt "possible' to grant my request and still basically got rediculed for asking. It was worked out and everything was fine and took a DM less than 30sec to fix my problem. I just dont know why some people make simple tasks look like it was a task of building a bridge over an ocean. Dont delete the character if its that big of a deal, I will just delete my master items and strip everything off of it and never log it in again then.

I just want to get back to playing an archer again...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eclaasse wrote:
If it is decided to not be fixed for whatever reason, there are to be no complaints from the player.


point.

Stardawg wrote:
Cursing or vulgar topics are not tolerated. Several people allow their pre-teen children to play on this server. Be considerate.


point.

And you're right, you have asked for this type of thing before. You were told it was not easy to do and it was granted to you regardless of that because eclaasse deemed it ok... she may yet again. But... my point is, it was done once, now youre here asking for it again and if granted, will probably be back for more...

You're not "catching flak". I wasnt mad or upset or anything. You asked for something, and were rejected nicely, calmly and with reason. That's hardly catching flak.

and on that note. I'm done with this.

Hope youre having a good day.
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Wanderling
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calin Darkarrow wrote:


Its still an AA build, and because of the RDD levels you cant redo that character. So I should be like you and have characters that will never be played again in my character list? Other players, not mentioning names, have requests here 3 and 4x's for fixes I had one(yes it was a bit more than a level or two) and get denied.


A couple of points to add:

RDD characters can and have been re-leveled. It takes some care and some extra work on the part of the requester, but has been done.

Lots of delete and rebuild requests have gotten the same answer - no. Yes scripts could be added to delete characters and the corresponding database entries, and many PW's have done this. We haven't spent our time on this. So it's a pain to go in to the database manually and check for and clear out all the possible entries, including log entries that refer to a character.

And with respect requests in the relevel thread: Clarity and completeness and accuracy are all good things to be sure are in your post. Not saying or promising it would be approved, but I would give it a try.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanderling wrote:
Calin Darkarrow wrote:


Its still an AA build, and because of the RDD levels you cant redo that character. So I should be like you and have characters that will never be played again in my character list? Other players, not mentioning names, have requests here 3 and 4x's for fixes I had one(yes it was a bit more than a level or two) and get denied.


RDD characters can and have been re-leveled. It takes some care and some extra work on the part of the requester, but has been done.



That is a good thing but the character in question was made incorrectly from lvl 1. At that time I was not as "in tune" to building NWN characters and to relevel that character back to lvl 1 would force me to make a totally different build to skirt the exp penalty. And that was the reason why dungeonrock said no to my request to recycle said character, because my solution was to make a different build.(although it was still an AA build)

Could that charater be taken all the way back to lvl 1 and allow me to relevel it differently or would I have to keep the RDD levels? Maybe go B/F/AA?

I would like to apologize for my shortness/rudeness.

Sometimes text gets interpreted differently from what people mean. I am the type of person who always questions authority and doesnt except the "no" answer. Its 2010 and anything can get done if someone is willing to get it done. As I said before, this is a 13 year old game that has been hacked, warped, and edited to death. So, to me, asking for something to be deleted isnt all that big of a deal.

I deleted the master robes on that character, therefore losing the tokens already earned and gimping that character in the future to be on par with other lvl 40 toons. Which now has a whole new request in order... =(

I wasnt asking for something for nothing, just wanted to play an AA and have fun with it without having to start all over again and try to recoup the time/effort I had already put into a wrongly built AA already. But its all good, its just a game and if I get too P.O. about it I will just go back to playing WoW.
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Calin Darkarrow
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dungeonrock wrote:
And you're right, you have asked for this type of thing before. You were told it was not easy to do and it was granted to you regardless of that because eclaasse deemed it ok... she may yet again. But... my point is, it was done once, now youre here asking for it again and if granted, will probably be back for more...


No, nothing came about from that last request, it was determined that it was just to big of a hassle and I decided to just restart.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calin,

A Bard/AA/RDD does not have an xp penalty. If you want to build Stardawg's build (which I have run to the top of the mountain very successfully since it was my first 40 since the server wipe) and have made alterations to what he posted (never a good idea because he knows his builds to the max), I would authorize a relevel. You will need one more DM to approve if that is what you want to do, as well as one willing to assist you with releveling the RDD since it is tempermental.

Also 2010-2002=8.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly approve a re-level.
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